Re: Hooks.

Post by Bugatti » Tue May 26, 2020 11:47 am

Al03 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 8:37 am

Have found that after I have caught several fish, "generally off the rocks", that I start missing bites.
One day I decided to change my hooks after I missed a few bites to see if that maybe the hooks weren't sharp enough anymore.
Sure enough, back in business.

I use chemically sharpened Mustad's so I am not skimping on quality.
Funny thing is, the hooks I am replacing actually still seem sharp and fit for purpose.
Even though the hooks I am replacing seem ok, could catching three or four fish take the edge of them?
Not to mention that they are being used in a highly abrasive environment.
Interested in people's experiences.
Regards Al.
SteveoTheTiger wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 11:14 am
I find this to to be an very interesting topic.

Al, great topic :tu: (as SteveotheKitty :gj: has said)

Very simply put , , , , YES, your theory is totally correct :nw:

Cheers, Bugatti

ps. No, that's not my only response , , , , the Bugatti 1,000 word reply is being typed just as you read :-D

pps. Yes, there are photos and diagrams too :bn:


Re: Hooks.

Post by Bugatti » Tue May 26, 2020 12:49 pm

SteveoTheTiger wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 11:14 am

For bread and butter fish, i tend to keep the same rig basically until it breaks unless i visibly see a problem with it.

Even to the point of using the same rig for multiple trips. I generally also use good quality hooks, but at the same time my normal flathead rig is a double paternoster with 2 Neptune brand droppers which are very cheap.

A packet of 10 or 12 is only about $5). I dont think i have ever regularly missed a hookup using these rigs, even when the hooks are fairly banged up. They use red hooks, but all the red colouring gets scraped off after a while. And i have caught pinkies and even gummies as a bycatch while targetting flathead on these cheap rigs.

As ive said before.. if you are chasing big snapper or some other game fish i can see dull hooks being an issue, but for general fishing ive never really had an issue.

Totally agree with SteveotheTIGER (a very wise Bengal Tiger at that)

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For bread and butter fish, I do the same. Basic and "cost effective" , , , , and yep Neptune (South Aussie :tu: ) is what I use. And a mix of bargain bin stuff too.

Yes, when new they are sharp, but equally I still hook up with the basic fish once they have seen a few fish. I do acknowledge that they have lost some of their sharpness/pointiness but they are still effective catchers for most specie. But if I notice hookup rates dropping then I do change to fresh hooks but that doesn't happen often for the bread and butter fish.

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Snapper and Mullies are no different, I still us Neptunes (or similar) , , , , they do the job (no noticeable difference), are cost effective and as a result I can afford a range of hooks instead of only able to afford three types of so called "good" hooks.

BUT that is for bread and butter fish and fishing. I do acknowledge that for some specie AND for some fishing (cost outlay verses having the best chance of a hookup) that "good" hooks show their worth.

For fish that can be quite finicky or harder to get that hook up, then I do use quality, as in the photo. A mix of Mustard & Gamos.

For Whiting and Gar I try and use quality hooks. I have noticed a big difference with quality hooks and is what I use for them. The "cost effective" hooks work a treat too for the first few fish but then dramatically drop off. Same thing that you have noticed Al, even with quality hooks too but takes a few more fish to notice the drop in hook ups.

Now, notwithstanding when they aren't on the chew, I have caught Gar (and Whiting to a lesser degree) on banged up rigs and hooks. BUT it is when they are touchy that quality hooks show their worth.

Sharp hooks is a perspective. Feeling the sharpness is one thing but I LOVE that sharpness that only a small touch on the hook point with the finger tip and the point just immediately "grabs" the skin , , , , super sweet and super sharp :tu:

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These Daiichi hooks are what I now use for Gar and work well from first to last cast. BUT when the Gar are picky and I notice getting bite but less hook ups, I put on fresh hooks (rigs) , , , , so yes, Al, your theory is what I have noticed too

Cheers, Bugs

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Re: Hooks.

Post by Al03 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:26 pm

Thanks again, appreciate all the feed back, I am also a very superstitious fisho so was just wondering if swapping hooks like I have been was just another thing I had to do to feel mentally confident I could get a feed.
Funny thing is, if I don't follow my established pattern that I MUST follow, "or the world will end", I generally catch bugger all.

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