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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by ducky » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:38 pm

shazdoggg wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:53 am
A young lad(19-21)who was working at the Star casino in Sydney made the trip to crown melb for a gambling weekend(casino employees are prohibited from gambling at their casino for obvious reasons) in early 2018.

On the day he arrived he played Caribbean stud and hit the royal flush. This is no minor feat and he scooped the major jackpot for 1.3-4mill. This was on the main gaming floor so Crown staff were so kind to give him a gold card with Mahogany room/private saloon access(where the biggest 🐳 play) and a complimentary suite at Crown towers for a few nights.

Young lad then proceeded to play high stakes baccarat in a private saloon and ran his winnings up to >6mill. This has been verified by multiple friends who deal in these rooms. Within 2 days he busted that 6mill and flew back to Sydney(presumably a broken man). This story is no secret among the crown high stakes reg’s and is a story which is far too common.
Awesome story. Really easy to say he should have walked away at 6 mil. But the same attitude that cost him that was the same that helped him build it from $1.3M or so.

That’s why I stopped gambling more than a couple hundred bucks a year in my early 20’s. I just found that the more you won/lost the more you gambled. $5 bets turn into $500 bets if you’re doing well.

But man I watched your poker win live shazz and it was bloody amazing to see. Also cool to see you’ve put it into the right things too.

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by saph » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:27 pm

shazdoggg wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:53 am
A young lad(19-21)who was working at the Star casino in Sydney made the trip to crown melb for a gambling weekend(casino employees are prohibited from gambling at their casino for obvious reasons) in early 2018.
More so because they know what machines are set to pay out at and when so they ban it outright.

Source: my brother who worked at a pokies place for a few years as a cook and wasnt allowed to gamble there same as all family was prohibited because he knew what ones were set and could tell us costing the buissness cash.

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by fishnut » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:45 pm

I would buy a Buggati :rf:

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by VooDoo » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:56 pm

shazdoggg wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:22 am
Won 2 div in sat nite lotto around 6/7 years ago for 8.6k. Was 1 number off a clean mill!!

Some of my gambling friends told me that was my one and only chance at striking a mill! Guess they couldn’t have been more wrong, haha! For those you who are unaware of my backstory, I hit the crown jackpot few years back for 1.6 mill. Bought large acreage along the great ocean rd, bought few toys(hobie, boat, atv etc), gave some to family and invested the rest. Luckily for me I struck gold at the ripe age of 33. Pretty sure I would have pissed it up the wall on wine, women and lambos if I scored it in my early 20’s

Given the current property market, 1 mill AUD ain’t worth as much as it seems. Like others have mentioned, how an individual would invest(or splurge) depends on your appetite for risk. The next few months should present some very exciting investment opportunities for those willing to get their hands dirty. From someone who has probably gambled more than most here, I can’t stress enough, NEVER gamble or invest more than you can AFFORD to lose!

The only benefit from (professional)gambling Vs traditional investments are that proceeds of gambling are tax free in Australia.

Whenever people ask me if they should play poker as a job, I tell them: “It’s the hardest way to make an easy living”!!!
You are a very wise man Shazzdog :nw: :tu: :nw:

Not many have came through the other end of the gaming tunnel better off financially - kudos to you !!!

Now for the serious business - when can you organise a FV poker night ???? Will happy to come and learnt (aka donating $$$ to you) from you :)

Will ask Ducky to cook up a storm of a roast dinner for the occasion - given your're such an idol to him I am sure he will be more than happy to obliged :)
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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by VooDoo » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:08 pm

shazdoggg wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:53 am
A young lad(19-21)who was working at the Star casino in Sydney made the trip to crown melb for a gambling weekend(casino employees are prohibited from gambling at their casino for obvious reasons) in early 2018.

On the day he arrived he played Caribbean stud and hit the royal flush. This is no minor feat and he scooped the major jackpot for 1.3-4mill. This was on the main gaming floor so Crown staff were so kind to give him a gold card with Mahogany room/private saloon access(where the biggest 🐳 play) and a complimentary suite at Crown towers for a few nights.

Young lad then proceeded to play high stakes baccarat in a private saloon and ran his winnings up to >6mill. This has been verified by multiple friends who deal in these rooms. Within 2 days he busted that 6mill and flew back to Sydney(presumably a broken man). This story is no secret among the crown high stakes reg’s and is a story which is far too common.
Used to work for CC (our nickname for Crown Casino) and have witnessed so many of this story on the floor (and worst ones at that too!!).

Part of our training was to treat all customers like "kings and queens" - regardless how much they have won from CC. This is to make them feel important so as to enticing them back onto table and gamble again because in the long run the odds are in the house favour and the player will loose all the winnings back (and more). This young lad should have known this already but he isn't the first or the last to have been tempted. A close friend whom worked as the CC host before leaving to have his own business - he felt into this exact trap and end up loosing his family and a decent size of his hard earned fortune. Sometimes the temptation is too great.

Shazzdog .. you probably have heard of the story about a lady whom won $8mil in a jackpot but after 6 months or so she was in debt to those she knew to the tune of $2mil. The debt figures i can't verify but the jackpot and how broke she was - i can attest to.

Moral of the story - just don't gamble more than your means :)
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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by VooDoo » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:10 pm

Texas wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 11:58 pm
Outlayed $70 on Thursday & Saturday (combined)
Got back $13.50.
Still poor
Gra
You still done way better than me Texas!!

Just for our comfort, it's great to know that we have made small contributions to the lucky $17mil winner and Dictator Dan's revenue coffin :)
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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by Andrews » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

That is a tough one, being a younger guy I'd look to to purchasing a nice 450k house outright, I think the house would put me in a better position than continuing to pay someone else's mortgage renting while I establish my career.

Treat myself to nice boat, 20k and I just don't think my current Kia Rio is powerful enough so add a new car onto that. Keep working, saving and building that career.

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by ducky » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:28 pm

Haha Voodoo. I’m not sure about idolising him but Was great to see a ripper bloke I’ve known on forums for years have a win.

Andrews. Not sure how regional you live. But unfortunately $450k doesn’t get you much within metro train access of Melbourne.

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by shazdoggg » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:37 pm

ducky wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:38 pm
shazdoggg wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:53 am
A young lad(19-21)who was working at the Star casino in Sydney made the trip to crown melb for a gambling weekend(casino employees are prohibited from gambling at their casino for obvious reasons) in early 2018.

On the day he arrived he played Caribbean stud and hit the royal flush. This is no minor feat and he scooped the major jackpot for 1.3-4mill. This was on the main gaming floor so Crown staff were so kind to give him a gold card with Mahogany room/private saloon access(where the biggest 🐳 play) and a complimentary suite at Crown towers for a few nights.

Young lad then proceeded to play high stakes baccarat in a private saloon and ran his winnings up to >6mill. This has been verified by multiple friends who deal in these rooms. Within 2 days he busted that 6mill and flew back to Sydney(presumably a broken man). This story is no secret among the crown high stakes reg’s and is a story which is far too common.
Awesome story. Really easy to say he should have walked away at 6 mil. But the same attitude that cost him that was the same that helped him build it from $1.3M or so.

That’s why I stopped gambling more than a couple hundred bucks a year in my early 20’s. I just found that the more you won/lost the more you gambled. $5 bets turn into $500 bets if you’re doing well.

But man I watched your poker win live shazz and it was bloody amazing to see. Also cool to see you’ve put it into the right things too.
Its no secret that I used to gamble on many casino table games before I took up poker. You're right about gambling and how it can easily snowball out of control. Speaking from personal experience in my youth!

An important aspect of professional gambling is bankroll management and this often leads to the rise or fall of a gambler(professional or mug punter). Bankroll management refers to the amount that one risks on any single outcome or series of outcomes(eg, trifecta). Even casinos exercise this rule to avoid 'risk of ruin' aka going broke. For example, the maximum Crown casino will wager on any single event on any table game is 600kaud and this is usually reserved for high stakes baccarat. Crown casino will not accept a higher level of risk because there is a chance that a player could win that bet 1000 times in row and send the casino broke. Even betting 600kaud will require high level authorisation to approve.

The overwhelming majority of winning gamblers use the Kelly Criterion to ascertain how much risk they should be exposed to, based on their bankroll and 'edge' which is the mathematical advantage one has over a certain game. The 'edge' is usually based as a percentage and can often be variable(changing up and down)depending on many factors. Buffet and Munger have publicly acknowledged use of the Kelly criterion formula to the success of their investment strategy and has many uses in day to day living.

IMO the mistake that most people make(myself included when I was young) is that they don't follow the Kelly criterion and/or get emotional when betting which often affects ones judgement and criticial thinking. An example would be betting $50 to win $7500. Win and then betting the whole amount again on a single event. This is a sure fire way to either to get rich or go busto. Wouldn't be able to count on my hands how many times I ran a $50 online deposit on a poker site to 2k in a few weeks only to lose the whole amount in 1 or 2 hands!

Some of the worlds best(win the most)professional gamblers were and are Aussies. Many started as professional card counters(think MIT Blackjack movie) like Alan Woods, David Walsh(Owner and creator of MONA museum) and Zejlko Ranogajec who is arguably the most lucrative professional gambler the world has ever seen. The ATO went after the gambling syndicate that David and Zejlko are members of in an unprecedented court case, because previous to this gambling winnings were declared tax free. There is no doubt in my mind that these men are mathematical savants and the average punter doesn't stand a chance against their uber complex computer algorithms running on sports betting sites like betfair, topsport and pinnacle.

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Re: What would you do if you won LOTTO

Post by rb85 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:23 pm

This isn't a pot shot at Shazdoggg at all but I have more respect for people who work hard/smart to create a decent future for themselves than people who have been born into, inherited or won their fortune. In Shazz's case he has made some sound decisions post winnings which is good.
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