j_pap , , , , you're not just sayin , , , , you ARE exactly right.j_pap wrote:
Except for when you put a fish in a bucket, or a knife through its head. Just sayin
The whole reason I started this thread/conversation was to highlight the miss understanding of what some non-fishers think, that Fishers are cruel people, which we are not. Everybody draws their "line" where they see fit. Fishers in my mind (as a whole) are not cruel.
My comment of rescue awareness, is that animals realise at a point of the "capture" if it is a rescue OR if it is a demise of/or a threat to their existence.
I agree deathray, it is a paradox. I would put it in the category of "most living creatures eat other living creatures" and "live baiting" is just part of that process. Example: a worm wriggles in pain when put on a hook but not seen in the same light as a "live" fish being put on a hook. The larger the fish, the more respect we give it , , , , why ???? Using a living creature to catch another living creature for food is just an extra step , , , , fish eats the worm (part of nature, which we utilise) so we can eat the fish.deathray wrote:
Very interesting paradox you raise. A while ago I was quite chuffed about catching a seagull and removing a rig from around its neck....before getting back to business and sticking a big hook in the back of a live baitfish.
Further that paradox to "humanely killed" , , , , how do we know it is humane? Do the living creatures tell us? Humanely killed is still shortening that living creatures life , , , , is that humane ????
And Brownie, your comment is the crunch of the paradox/conundrum.Brownie wrote: It is interesting. A lot of people see fish entirely different to how they do other living creatures, apart from the obvious, water. I know several people who hate the idea of humans killing another living being to eat, who will happily eat fish or prawns. I can ask them why they dont eat red meat or chicken and they say because it's cruel.
Hunters are seen differently to Fishers, worst by most. Most people would say that drowning/suffocating is one of the worst deaths , , , , which is what in essence happens to fish out of water but not openly acknowledged. I mostly seawater slurry my catch even when land-based (except I Karate chop the squid which kills them instantly) but that is my choice. Some Fishers dispatch their catch, even garfish, which is their choice. Others do as they see fit. Each to their own.
Lastly on humans killing another living being to eat , , , , most creatures eat other creatures, which is seen as "nature". Most of these creatures eat the other creature while it is still living, which is paramount to our biggest fears of being eaten alive by a creature (shark). We as humans kill our dinner before we eat it.
Everyone draws their own moral line to their beliefs. Not withstanding malicious cruelty, fishers get a bad wrap.
Hence this thread, is a showcase of us as humans being "human" to our fellow creatures of this Earth
