Building in a rural area

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby rb85 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:44 pm

one2three wrote:
Hosery wrote:
one2three wrote:Also allow an extra $5K in your budget to have your own independent building inspector who WORKS for you and not the builder.


May I ask why the heck you would even consider wasting 5k of your hard earned on something like that? I'd save the 5k and put it towards extras, landscaping etc.

All these people that think the inspectors only work for the building company to help them out have no idea. Everything has to comply with industry standards and the engineering. And if said inspector is dodgy they will be answering to the vba and have their head on the chopping block.

Plus you can choose your own building inspector for your build nowadays instead of hiring 1 independently


You should go to VCAT and see how many issues people have in their build.

VBA is a toothless tiger.

Many sites have engineering issues, slab heave, building surveyors are corrupted.

Make sure you engage a person to look at your contract.

Here a few links

https://m.facebook.com/vicbuildingactiongroup/

https://m.facebook.com/safeashouses.au/

People look for help once they encounter problems, $5K is cheaper at the start than a legal system that cost tens of thousands.


Agree about independent inspector otherwise if things are stuffed you could be in for a long costly battle. The consumer does not know standards that need to be adhered to.



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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby phil1818 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:27 pm

rb85 wrote:
one2three wrote:
Hosery wrote:
one2three wrote:Also allow an extra $5K in your budget to have your own independent building inspector who WORKS for you and not the builder.


May I ask why the heck you would even consider wasting 5k of your hard earned on something like that? I'd save the 5k and put it towards extras, landscaping etc.

All these people that think the inspectors only work for the building company to help them out have no idea. Everything has to comply with industry standards and the engineering. And if said inspector is dodgy they will be answering to the vba and have their head on the chopping block.

Plus you can choose your own building inspector for your build nowadays instead of hiring 1 independently


You should go to VCAT and see how many issues people have in their build.

VBA is a toothless tiger.

Many sites have engineering issues, slab heave, building surveyors are corrupted.

Make sure you engage a person to look at your contract.

Here a few links

https://m.facebook.com/vicbuildingactiongroup/

https://m.facebook.com/safeashouses.au/

People look for help once they encounter problems, $5K is cheaper at the start than a legal system that cost tens of thousands.


Agree about independent inspector otherwise if things are stuffed you could be in for a long costly battle. The consumer does not know standards that need to be adhered to.


If you don’t trust your builder enough that his doing the right thing then probably shouldn’t be using him in the first place, no need for 3rd party building inspectors unless you like wasting money.. seriously doubt many builders would even allow you to have a 3rd party inspector on the site to begin with, tells him you don’t trust his doing the right thing.

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby rb85 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:37 pm

phil1818 wrote:
rb85 wrote:
one2three wrote:
Hosery wrote:
one2three wrote:Also allow an extra $5K in your budget to have your own independent building inspector who WORKS for you and not the builder.


May I ask why the heck you would even consider wasting 5k of your hard earned on something like that? I'd save the 5k and put it towards extras, landscaping etc.

All these people that think the inspectors only work for the building company to help them out have no idea. Everything has to comply with industry standards and the engineering. And if said inspector is dodgy they will be answering to the vba and have their head on the chopping block.

Plus you can choose your own building inspector for your build nowadays instead of hiring 1 independently


You should go to VCAT and see how many issues people have in their build.

VBA is a toothless tiger.

Many sites have engineering issues, slab heave, building surveyors are corrupted.

Make sure you engage a person to look at your contract.

Here a few links

https://m.facebook.com/vicbuildingactiongroup/

https://m.facebook.com/safeashouses.au/

People look for help once they encounter problems, $5K is cheaper at the start than a legal system that cost tens of thousands.


Agree about independent inspector otherwise if things are stuffed you could be in for a long costly battle. The consumer does not know standards that need to be adhered to.


If you don’t trust your builder enough that his doing the right thing then probably shouldn’t be using him in the first place, no need for 3rd party building inspectors unless you like wasting money.. seriously doubt many builders would even allow you to have a 3rd party inspector on the site to begin with, tells him you don’t trust his doing the right thing.


Unless you know the builder personally or have reliable friends or family appraise him then it would be hard to completely trust him and if he's a reasonable tradesman he should have no problem with an independent inspector.

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby phil1818 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:50 pm

You do realise there is a completely seperate home warranty insurance policy seperate to the builder on every single job that is there to protect the consumer, they will pay for any rectification works then chase the builder if he refuses to fix it that lasts for 10 years. Not to mention a 3rd party inspector can only go by what the plans say and I garentee they will not be able to tell you your going to have problems like slab heave by looking at it that stuff has to do with building on sh*t ground so you will of wasted money on a 3rd party inspector and still end up with problems 100% seen it on plenty of jobs makes absolutely no difference and even if your said inspector notices something but the APPOINTED inspector says it’s fine then what?? Because your 3rd party guy is not the one signing the build off and passing the inspections = totally wasting your money

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby rb85 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:02 pm

phil1818 wrote:You do realise there is a completely seperate home warranty insurance policy seperate to the builder on every single job that is there to protect the consumer, they will pay for any rectification works then chase the builder if he refuses to fix it that lasts for 10 years. Not to mention a 3rd party inspector can only go by what the plans say and I garentee they will not be able to tell you your going to have problems like slab heave by looking at it that stuff has to do with building on sh*t ground so you will of wasted money on a 3rd party inspector and still end up with problems 100% seen it on plenty of jobs makes absolutely no difference and even if your said inspector notices something but the APPOINTED inspector says it’s fine then what?? Because your 3rd party guy is not the one signing the build off and passing the inspections = totally wasting your money


Can't speak for Hosery but the way I interpreted his post was instead of the builder engaging the inspector the home owner does. Well aware about the warranty as you have said. My agreeance with what hosery has mentioned comes from people I know getting screwed by builders who engage an inspector warranty didn't help the VBA didn't help the only thing thats helps is high price lawyers who specialise in building disputes and nobody ends up satisfied.

Builders out of pocket, client out of pocket, subbies waiting to get payed and lawyers earning good money.

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby phil1818 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:14 pm

Unfortunately no manner of building inspector is going to help that at all. Building inspectors are wildly different in what they accept and what they won’t I have witnessed this first hand on several builds with several different building surveyors I have built frames that one accepts and says is spot on then built exactly the same way on the next job and told it’s no good there is no consistency with building surveyors it’s embarrassing as an industry so don’t waste your money because it all comes down to personal opinion with them and it will get you nowhere.. use a builder you trust and to do this ask for a list of previous clients and actually contact them and if possible go to his previous jobs and speak with the client you will get a clear picture very quickly. If he can’t give you names and numbers then move on and keep looking.. I have new clients all the time ask me for references and I happily give them my previous job details and even organise with my previous clients to let them have a chat and a look at the job.. it’s all about trust and confidence if you don’t have it you’ll have problems



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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby rb85 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:20 pm

phil1818 wrote:Unfortunately no manner of building inspector is going to help that at all. Building inspectors are wildly different in what they accept and what they won’t I have witnessed this first hand on several builds with several different building surveyors I have built frames that one accepts and says is spot on then built exactly the same way on the next job and told it’s no good there is no consistency with building surveyors it’s embarrassing as an industry so don’t waste your money because it all comes down to personal opinion with them and it will get you nowhere.. use a builder you trust and to do this ask for a list of previous clients and actually contact them and if possible go to his previous jobs and speak with the client you will get a clear picture very quickly. If he can’t give you names and numbers then move on and keep looking.. I have new clients all the time ask me for references and I happily give them my previous job details and even organise with my previous clients to let them have a chat and a look at the job.. it’s all about trust and confidence if you don’t have it you’ll have problems


Good advice. :thumbsup:

So what keeps the building industry to account? The plumbing industry commission and ESV hold the plumbing and electrical trades to account.

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby Huntnfish » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:27 pm

Why is it that the mods let this two morons continually hijack threads. When will a Mod grow a set and do their job :down:

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby phil1818 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:33 pm

Believe it or not the VBA are actually quiet ruthless, I get emails monthly from them updating builders on what’s happening in the industry and they often deregister a lot of builders for doing the wrong thing and they hand out some huge fines to non compliant builders often well over $50k for a single offence so they are fair dinkum and they do randomly roll up to building site to carry out random audits and they do not muck around when they see non compliance.. people think they do nothing because some issues they can’t deal with because the issue is not a compliance issue, plenty of problems arise due to ground movement ect so it’s not necessarily a compliance issue but when it comes to rogue builders they don’t mess about in deregistering

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Re: Building in a rural area

Postby phil1818 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:36 pm

Huntnfish wrote:Why is it that the mods let this two morons continually hijack threads. When will a Mod grow a set and do their job :down:

Not happy with people answering a question mate?



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