Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria Rep

[FishnMiss]

I assume by "& similar" you mean other pest animals, plus hunting for food (my protein is mostly taken with the rifle else caught with the rod), and all of the shooting sports? Agree on the self protection thing, generally speaking.

I got no problem with eating what you kill, can't stand people simply killing for sport/fun.

[rb85]

Wheres the resident pollie ran for his life.

[frozenpod]

A person with the same user name is on the patrol 4x4 forum and he seems like a decent bloke.

How about we give him the opportunity to respond.

[frozenpod]

:welcome2: to the site Ethan.

I've looked at your policies and you will never get my vote due to your shooting policy; most particularly your first three bullet points.

To save anyone the trouble.

1. Repeal the 1996 National Firearms Agreement of COAG on the basis it has failed to increase public safety.

2. Vehemently oppose the establishment of a Commonwealth Firearms Registry, or any other interference by the Commonwealth in the constitutional authority of the States to legislate the ownership and use of firearms.

3. Establish a genuine reason for family and home protection for lawful possession of a firearm.

4. Abolish the registration of category A and B firearms with savings to be reinvested into front line crime prevention.

Yeah. Wow. So you want semi auto long arms back and freely available. All currently held firearms in class a/b (read: virtually all of them except for semi automatic and automatic long arms) no longer requiring registration and home defence as a genuine reason to own a gun. Jesus ******* christ.

What's wrong with the current situation? Primary producers and genuine need gets the semi's and pumps. Rec users get bolt action and shot guns. Plus the Remington 7600's..

Agree with most of your points ducky.

But I have to admit a semi auto 22 would be great for rabbits.

Ethan can you explain what the Commonwealth Firearms Registry is all about?

[purple5ive]

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he has defenitely seen all these posts .

[rb85]

A person with the same user name is on the patrol 4x4 forum and he seems like a decent bloke.

How about we give him the opportunity to respond.

Yeah I hope he does respond.

[nmgar]

A person with the same user name is on the patrol 4x4 forum and he seems like a decent bloke.

How about we give him the opportunity to respond.

Yeah I hope he does respond.

He did make a response at 6.12 p.m. on the 13th so I expect he will again.

[ethanboris]

I'm still around, i work full time and do most of the SFFP stuff in my spare time, can't be everywhere at once. Last night I was preparing for the Victorian 4WD show this Sunday which is my only proper "day off".

I'm curious about which farmers you are representing. My background is in grape growing and a lot of friends and former colleagues in places like the Riverland, the Barossa and McLaren Vale are very concerned about the impacts climate change is already on the viability of their industry, yet I can't find any reference to in your policies other than opposition to the carbon tax.

We seek to represent all farmers regardless; I too have friends up in the Miliwa region and we've had conversions with about the climate change issue so I can understand your friends concerns. Our federal team is working on updating our policy on it (as far as i know). So as soon as I hear something i'll let you know.

Are they actually trying to ban fishing though? And why would banning guns open the way to banning fishing? Wouldn't they just try and ban fishing now if they thought that was something they wanted to do?

The problem with parties such as yours is your targeting the vote of fisherman who could be right wing, left wing, no wing or view every issue on its merit. Suggesting that "once socialists, animal liberationists and parties like the greens have achieved their goal of a complete ban on legal firearm ownership, there will be no stopping them coming after recreational fishing" shows that your party is trying to gain support by fear rather than policy which I cannot support.

I'll combine these two quotes as they are somewhat related.

It has been no secret that parties such as the greens, AJP and all manner of their offshoot parties want legal firearm ownership banned, they even want police to be disarmed (yet their politicians are protected by police with firearms...go figure). This has been done incrementally over the decades with more and more government legislation and regulation regarding the ownership, purchasing and use of legally owned longarms and handguns, the biggest push was obviously in 1996.
It's commonly called "slow death by a thousand cuts", every cut hurts law abiding firearm owners because we have the firearms they know about. Criminals? not so much.

However my argument is validated by this and if you believe that these parties don't want a complete ban on fishing, they do, and will work every step of the way in parliament to achieve their goals, This is why SFFP is here.

These groups work incrementally. They don't go for a ban on everything at once but target and focus on shorter term goals, so guns don't get banned overnight but larger calibres do. Recreational shooting doesn't get banned but they focus on banning duck hunting. The Greens have a policy to work towards an end of all hunting on public land. Similarly with fishing we have seen the creation of marine national parks along our coast. SO we see them achieving one goal and then focusing on another rather than spreading themselves too thin. At the moment their focus in on turning 355,000 ha of the central highlands, which is currently freely accessible state forest into a far more restrictive 'Great Forest National Park'.

Which can answer this question

So whats your views on employment, unemployment, workers rights, environmental protection, full disclosure on political donations, criminal gangs, immigration the shutting down of coal fired power stations, foreign ownership of land, housing affordability and Australias foreign debt to international banking corporations. Don't dive into them all at once.

We're lucky in a sense not to be in a position to form a government or coalition (not in the short term anyway) so we can concentrate on our core values and not be spread thin with a policy for every single issue that may arise.

One policy i can guarantee is we say NO to the GFNP and any new national park or marine park or sanctuary.

and yes I am ethanboris on patrol4x4.com one of the many things i do is organise the National Meetups for that forum

[ethanboris]

Ethan can you explain what the Commonwealth Firearms Registry is all about?

To be honest I don't know, all state firearm registries are loosely linked via the AFP and Australian Crime Commission. It might be a legacy thing from a few years back before i started working with the party.

[GTSHoon]

Glad to see youve got one politician trait down pat, talking a lot but not saying much

But can you provide a single piece of scientific literature that suggests that marine or national parks aren't a worthwhile option?
Also how can you be a "party" without a stand point on any of the issues raised in the post you quoted above? Surely you have a view on immigration, unemployment and the shutting down of "dirty" energy production at the very least?

Seems like the ideals of your party are based entirely on emotional reaction with little to no real science or facts to back it up at this point mate!