When can Victorians expect to go fishing again?

[DougieK]

Problem with that is, they already did last week. And now water police have ok'd SUPs, wind surfing and kite boarding to go with it. So it's perfectly fine to paddle a stand up paddleboard up and down Patto if you're from the surrounding areas, perfectly fine to go windsurfing and kite boarding when it's blowing its ring off Patto if you're from the surrounding areas.

But paddle a kayak or throw a line in is a $1652 fine.....

I saw that post linked on a windsurfing and sailing page, is it official? I didn't see anything from an actual source other than a facebook page run by 'someone'.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. This makes zero sense. It's only going to alienate people like you and me. Water police don't make the law and whoever does is dropping the ball. I agree with the ban, it's necessary, but the moment you let one group exploit it everyone is going to. The obvious question being, can i fish from a stand up paddle board?

[ducky]

I can’t see us fishing/hunting before Spring time with us coming into winter. Which is pretty ******. Life’s never been more stressful and there’s no release...

Isn't Pornhub offering free premium memberships?

Yeah I got one for research purposes. Wasn’t much difference imo. Haha

[DougieK]

Another example, Recently in NSW (read my report) I was faced with a situation where pitching my swag in a deserted national park was a violation of social distancing but Airbnbing a room in someone's house wasn't.

Social distancing is clearly necessary and given the behavior of a lot of people so is a lock down, but making exceptions for some is only going to lead to the alienation and frustration of people doing the right thing, and a whole heap of people doing the wrong thing. With consistent, strict messaging laws and enforcement we could have most of this past us in the next 2 months, with what's going on it may take much, much longer.

[cobby]

Problem with that is, they already did last week. And now water police have ok'd SUPs, wind surfing and kite boarding to go with it. So it's perfectly fine to paddle a stand up paddleboard up and down Patto if you're from the surrounding areas, perfectly fine to go windsurfing and kite boarding when it's blowing its ring off Patto if you're from the surrounding areas.

But paddle a kayak or throw a line in is a $1652 fine.....

I saw that post linked on a windsurfing and sailing page, is it official? I didn't see anything from an actual source other than a facebook page run by 'someone'.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. This makes zero sense. It's only going to alienate people like you and me. Water police don't make the law and whoever does is dropping the ball. I agree with the ban, it's necessary, but the moment you let one group exploit it everyone is going to. The obvious question being, can i fish from a stand up paddle board?

Haven't seen much else except that 'clarification'. Whilst the police don't normally make the law, they're currently a law unto themselves whilst we are under the state of emergency and Andrews has said as much himself. Some are fine, others are on a ridiculous power trip which I've experienced both sides of over the last 3 weeks I've been on forced annual leave. Ive done the right thing, the people at the address of my rego and licence work in aged care, I Don't have any contact there, not that I usually have much anyway, and right now I'm 34km as the crow flies from that address in the neighbouring council. Out of 5 encounters I've had 4 who were understanding of the situation after a 2 minute check of other details I provided on their vehicle computer, and 1 who was nothing but an outright **** from the second he was at the window that lasted 20 minutes, 6 phone calls by the officer to separate people including his commanding officer, 1 phone call by me to Lisa Nevilles office that went unanswered, and by the 15 minute mark a very angry threat to throw the dead car battery I was off to replace at the nearest mechanic in the back seat through the front windscreen of the cop car to give him something to truly fine me for...

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the limiting large scale movements, minimising social contact and all that other jazz. It's the rulings by politicians that fly directly in the face of the supposed medical expert on what is not a risk.

As for fishing from the SUP, no dice. Fishing is banned regardless what you do it on

[DougieK]

Problem with that is, they already did last week. And now water police have ok'd SUPs, wind surfing and kite boarding to go with it. So it's perfectly fine to paddle a stand up paddleboard up and down Patto if you're from the surrounding areas, perfectly fine to go windsurfing and kite boarding when it's blowing its ring off Patto if you're from the surrounding areas.

But paddle a kayak or throw a line in is a $1652 fine.....

I saw that post linked on a windsurfing and sailing page, is it official? I didn't see anything from an actual source other than a facebook page run by 'someone'.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. This makes zero sense. It's only going to alienate people like you and me. Water police don't make the law and whoever does is dropping the ball. I agree with the ban, it's necessary, but the moment you let one group exploit it everyone is going to. The obvious question being, can i fish from a stand up paddle board?

Haven't seen much else except that 'clarification'. Whilst the police don't normally make the law, they're currently a law unto themselves whilst we are under the state of emergency and Andrews has said as much himself. Some are fine, others are on a ridiculous power trip which I've experienced both sides of over the last 3 weeks I've been on forced annual leave. Ive done the right thing, the people at the address of my rego and licence work in aged care, I Don't have any contact there, not that I usually have much anyway, and right now I'm 34km as the crow flies from that address in the neighbouring council. Out of 5 encounters I've had 4 who were understanding of the situation after a 2 minute check of other details I provided on their vehicle computer, and 1 who was nothing but an outright **** from the second he was at the window that lasted 20 minutes, 6 phone calls by the officer to separate people including his commanding officer, 1 phone call by me to Lisa Nevilles office that went unanswered, and by the 15 minute mark a very angry threat to throw the dead car battery I was off to replace at the nearest mechanic in the back seat through the front windscreen of the cop car to give him something to truly fine me for...

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the limiting large scale movements, minimising social contact and all that other jazz. It's the rulings by politicians that fly directly in the face of the supposed medical expert on what is not a risk.

As for fishing from the SUP, no dice. Fishing is banned regardless what you do it on

This is exactly the problem. What is actually a guideline, and a vague one, has been left to the interpretation of the police, which means that inconsistency will be prevalent, which means we end up in situations where one person gets fined and another doesn't. If you're going to have rules they need to be absolutely clear and applied equally, but police aren't robots, tempers flare, egos kick in etc and suddenly an 'i live here' turns into an hour of stuffing about.

[frozenpod]

The biggest issue by far is the completely useless vague clear as mud 4 reasons.

The actual directions of the vic CHO "Stay at Home Directions No 3" list about 50 reasons why you can leave your home.

The 50 reasons covers pretty much everything, and as they are written fishing and hunting is allowed. I also cannot see any reason why golf would not be. Fishing and hunting for obtaining food.

Recreational Fishing, hunting and golf is banned based on the CHO comments in a press conference that I cannot find in writing anywhere.

The irony is Fishing, hunting and golf would be perfect activities under the current circumstances and there has been no mention of not being allowed to fish or hunt for food but only for recreation ie fun.

[Bugatti]

Out of 5 encounters I've had 4 who were understanding of the situation , , , , and 1 who was nothing but an outright ****

Some are fine, others are on a ridiculous power trip

This is exactly the problem. What is actually a guideline, and a vague one, has been left to the interpretation of the police, which means that inconsistency will be prevalent.

Police aren't robots, tempers flare, egos kick in etc and suddenly an 'i live here' turns into an hour of stuffing about.

I agree

Keeping in mind, the Police don't make the rules/laws but they are the ones that have to enforce them AND contrary to public opinion, the Police would have been given some guild-lines on how to apply them. BUT unfortunately there are some Police who (I'm being diplomatic) could have applied the Law more prudently and with some empathy. This same criticism of the Police is no different to how the Police apply the Road Rules.

Most Police ARE good and they even know that some Police in their ranks are , , , , not ideal.

We don't see the Police Reports associated with the fines issued, we just get the media's version.

An example:

That bloke who got fined for eating a Kebab on a park-bench, as the media portrayed it.
That bloke couldn't verify that what he was doing was "essential" and that he felt the need to leave home to do it, in-lieu of getting a kebab then going and eating it at home.
That bloke was warned on two separate occasions on that day prior to being fined THAT what he was doing was not deemed to be essential. Keep in mind that the bloke was there long enough to get warned two times previously, so he wasn't "just eating a kebab" in that whole time. If the bloke agreed with it or not is one issue BUT there was no denying the consequences if he persisted. He made that "defiant" choice to stay. So third strike you're out.

So the Police did well, warning him twice BUT the media portrayed that the bloke simply got fined for eating a kebab.



We can micro criticise the Police but they are trying to manage the bigger picture.

I for one appreciate the unenviable task that they perform


Cheers, Bugatti

[Sebb]

Just heard on the radio, some health expert dr from somewhere in Oz with Irish accent, said that this can still be dangerous and outbreak can still happen again, until we found a vaccine.
Everyone should still limiting contacts until vaccine is found or it may spread again with no cure, repeating the outbreak.
A lot of speculation atm. So assuming, the back to fishing will have to wait til someone found the vaccine. Thats my thought anyway.

[Seniorfisho]

There will be sporadic outbreaks no matter what we do. We are now i a position to target specific outbreaks so you don't lock up everyone in Victoria because of an outbreak in Mornington.

Actually this is incorrect. If we have zero new infections over night then that means that we have eliminated the virus, the only way anyone can catch it is if someone from over the border brings it with them. Strict border control will ensure no one in Victoria will get it. The virus needs a host, without one it will die within a couple pf hours

[purple5ive]

There will be sporadic outbreaks no matter what we do. We are now i a position to target specific outbreaks so you don't lock up everyone in Victoria because of an outbreak in Mornington.

Actually this is incorrect. If we have zero new infections over night then that means that we have eliminated the virus, the only way anyone can catch it is if someone from over the border brings it with them. Strict border control will ensure no one in Victoria will get it. The virus needs a host, without one it will die within a couple pf hours

not necessarily the case, someone could be in incubation stage and then have it later, and we are back to square one again.